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In the NWO tournament, godking did beat me. I congratulated him on that in the warclub. 2 people , one of them ice, did not like part of my post, and attacked it. The whole thing went into some silly discussion. As a result, the whole thread including/after that initial post was deleted by ice without my consent. Excuse for that action was that my answers were "disrespectful".  Ice seems to have realized that this abuse of his admin rights went too far, and requested to be stripped of its admin right himself. Would have been fine with me like that, but after joining the lobby, I was greeted with the following:

(20:58:43) ice:  ah idiot ab is here
(20:58:58) ErnieBommel:  ice, your behaviour is unacceptable
(20:59:10) ice:  likewise
(20:59:16) ErnieBommel:  explain
(20:59:18) Omnikrom:  its still early anybody wanna play a neuschwabenland or a 6 army?
(20:59:43) ErnieBommel:  I do not insult you - by any normal means of that word.
(20:59:50) ice:  theres no point, ur too arrogant to see it
(21:00:00) zlefin:  ah, ice is so amusing :)
(21:00:01) ErnieBommel:  and I do not abuse admin rights to delete unwanted topics in the warclub
(21:00:03) zlefin:  hey eb, how's it goin?
(21:00:25) ice:  no i only delete disrepectful posts
(21:00:31) ErnieBommel:  "ah idiot ab is here"
(21:00:42) ErnieBommel:  that line is enough for a ban here usually
(21:00:47) Finn:  agh Java error.. i installed that v4 today
(21:00:47) Finn:  wait
(21:00:49) ice:  but dont worry, i have requested the deletion of my admin, you can go right ahead soon
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(21:01:09) ErnieBommel:  ice, I have the whole thread copied
* (21:01:15) zlefin cackles madly
(21:01:29) Omnikrom:  its still early anybody wanna play a neuschwabenland or a 6 army?
(21:01:30) ice:  then you can continueing spreading lies and being disrepectful to others
(21:01:30) ErnieBommel:  and I will post it in the forums for anyone to judge who was disrespectful
(21:01:41) Omnikrom:  its still early anybody wanna play a neuschwabenland or a 6 army?
(21:01:42) ErnieBommel:  I leave it to the others
(21:01:44) ice:  sure lol, by all means
(21:01:51) ErnieBommel:  your judgement seems beyond normal reason
(21:02:02) ice:  then you are not only an idiot but dumb aswel
(21:02:20) ErnieBommel:  you do what you did last year too
(21:02:27) ErnieBommel:  make yourself not look good here
(21:02:40) ice:  haha
(21:02:43) ErnieBommel:  I recommend to stop it
(21:02:46) ice:  since when do i care about that?
(21:02:53) ErnieBommel:  well, whatever
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(21:02:59) ice:  ask zeflin
(21:03:03) ErnieBommel:  up to you
(21:03:05) Omnikrom:  its still early anybody wanna play a neuschwabenland or a 6 army?
(21:03:06) ErnieBommel:  well, you know
(21:03:11) ice:  he knows, hes a big fan of my art
(21:03:22) zlefin:  ice, please restrain yourself, as amusing as your antics are
(21:03:39) zlefin:  though i woudlnt' mind seeing your ban :P
(21:03:41) ErnieBommel:  its pretty normal, some barking at the alpha dog. its always like that.
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(21:03:50) ErnieBommel:  topic finished for me
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(21:04:00) ice:  me neither, if i deserve it by all means, but im very doubtful of that
(21:04:06) Omnikrom:  BARKING AT THE ALPLHA DOG
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(21:04:29) ice:  bye abidiot
(21:04:37) derinderinderin:  anybody up for a ยด41 game?
(21:04:39) ErnieBommel:  try harder
(21:05:00) ice:  thought u where done?
(21:05:42) ice:  do you lie to yourself that way in reallife aswel ab?
(21:05:53) ice:  cant be an easy life
(21:05:59) lalapalooza:  trolololol
(21:06:32) Omnikrom:  its still early anybody wanna play a neuschwabenland or a 6 army?
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(21:07:18) ice:  ur a joke, ab everyone knows it, you play only with the name eb when u can win, or if you loose you forget and lie about it
(21:07:43) Omnikrom:  its still early anybody wanna play a neuschwabenland or a 6 army?
(21:08:30) Omnikrom:  its still early anybody wanna play a neuschwabenland or a 6 army?
(21:08:41) DayMar:  o damn Finn-how long can it take to dl that game
(21:08:43) ice:  early is a mattaer of timezone
(21:08:59) choZin1:  u guys seem real touchy bout ur records lmao.sry 2 but in.but callin som1 a joke ovr a game makes u ...well nvm jus...lolol
(21:09:53) ice:  its not over a recent game, its about him being arogant enough to say that he never lost a game in years
(21:10:01) ice:  in public forum
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(21:10:15) choZin1:  ya he said that 2 me 1nce n i didn believ
(21:10:18) ice:  disrespecting the players who DID beat him in that timeperiod
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(21:11:14) ice:  so yes i defend my self and others who are in that position, then eb starts to lie about them
(21:11:19) ice:  how would you feel?
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(21:11:47) choZin1:  like a child caught n som child drama
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(21:12:13) ice:  yes ur right its really childish indeed
(21:12:59) choZin1:  maybe
(21:13:12) choZin1:  oits easy 2 say fropm the ssidelines anyway
(21:13:19) choZin1:  so sry 4 buttin n
(21:13:33) zlefin:  muwahahahaha
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(21:14:30) majorQ10:  hi ddqua
(21:14:31) ice:  also i hate people who brag bout being 132 games unbeaten
(21:14:42) ErnieBommel:  just read back the last few lines, and judge again who is childish
(21:14:47) ErnieBommel:  jesus christ, lol
(21:14:53) ErnieBommel:  yes
(21:14:54) Ajmdemen:  zlefin I cant help but notice you talking to ice even though you've sworn to put him on ignore?
(21:15:00) ErnieBommel:  now you speak the truth, ice
(21:15:05) choZin1:  ya thats wat he tol me.but we got a good game saved n im not that good.he ptretty good tho
(21:15:08) ErnieBommel:  thats the whole point for you
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(21:15:36) choZin1:  i like the guy.hes real cool n frenly
(21:15:40) ErnieBommel:  doesnt justify you freaking out like you do at the moment though
(21:15:41) choZin1:  o there u r
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(21:16:07) kesselring:  Hi EB
(21:16:13) ErnieBommel:  hi kesselring

So because I dont see why I should let my good name be treated like that, I hereby also post the complete deleted thread, for everybody interested in some soap opera thingy to judge by himself:

Successful risky axis opening
Major Allies round 1 blunder (ultimately the cause of the allied defeat)
Severe Axis round 2 blunder
Small Axis mistakes in 1 theatre over 2 rounds leading to Axis losing that region
Big turn of the game due to a situation, though enabled by a considerably extended series of lucky dice, nevertheless most skillfully an elegantly used for a major allied defeat.
Allies still had a considerable TUV and unit count advantage on the board, as well as more income, with key nations being very strong. But the setup was horrible, and there considering the previous part of the game, as well as robustness of the Axis build, there was little hope for a game changing mistake on the side of the Axis - while clearly, the vulnerabilities of the Allies were growing.
The end.

Godking and I agreed to post the game AFTER the end of the tournament, thats why I did not go into further details, although I think the game is very much worth that.
Was some excellent game, and played under most pleasant circumstances - we count out my cursing about the dice at a certain point.

Just for the record: godking is the first to defeat me after 132 NWO wins in a row, the only one since NWO 1.5 is out, and the second one ever on any NWO. (Think there is no way if communicating this without appearing somewhat arrogant, but I thought its worth mentioning, so excuse me).

I have to admit I found it extremely hard to take, and it did cost me 2 days to get a grip on my anger, and another to admit defeat finally.
My salute to godking.

EB
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arrogant indeet since it isnt true, but whatever i know the truth thats all that matters
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Hey EB, when do you start your counting of 132 victories ?
I still have your e-mail from about 18 months ago, when you was surrendering
with axis and complaining about bad dice (you always seem to have bad dice)!
And i know about at least about 1 other game you lost as well.
Strange, strange.
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This is a thread about results. Please leave it that way. I dont want to search in all threads for important and unimportant matters.
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ah, Kesselring, you are correct - a bit:
We had a game, where in round 2, Germany attacked a UK t-boat with 2 fighers. Both fighters were destroyed, with the t-boat living (the latter being the thing enabling the loss of the German fleet). I think its not unreasonable to call that bad dice, but maybe you can find people disagreeing with me there...
Back then, you agreed on it being unlucky, and offered to EDIT away the t-boat (if I recall correctly). I thanked you and said you could count that game as won.
So yes, I forgot about that 1 round loss. Sorry for that.
I did win the other game though - which I might add you did abandon in a not very gentlemen like manner. But I am used to that by some good players. After all, I experienced myself how hard losing is once one got used to winning.
But that is 18 month ago. I will have to check back how many games that deducts from my streak, but it shouldnt be too many.

Curious though who is supposed to be the "other" person. Maybe you care to give the name?

Feel free to remove this post, if the other one is removed too.

The game with godking will be posted once the tournament is finished, so everybody can look for themselves if my judgement of the dice there are unjust. I hope that settles this.

Not idea what reason you have to bring that up here with all the bad vibes, despite feeding some old grudge, but whatever.


EB

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hmm sounds very familiar, u have probably forgotten bout the edit of the WHOLE russian army vs my game, where you said the game was mine aswel and we continued the game with the edit to see what would have happended.

or did you forget bout loosing a savegame where i was ahead in tuv and production, not to mention the keyprovinces. (was in a periond where i didnt take savegames when i didnt host)

yes you won more against me then you lost but dont go shouting bout a victory streak, thats imensly disrespectful towards kes and me, and who knows who else.

seems like games where ur about to loose gets some sort of extreem edeting, like another game wich i like to forget about, or you forget the edit ever happend, and count the game as victory for unkown reasons, espessialy since you already said gameover wich enabled the edit) really eb is that fair?


i appologise to pug for going offtopic, but cant stop myself for having to respond to such a statement.

ice
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ice, that lost savegame, you lost as well. And the game was pretty even in the whole picture - and it was very early. Seems not fair to me to insinuate I lost that on purpose. That is pretty ridiculous. There is also no other occurence of such an incident on my behalf which would fund that.

The thing with the russian army was an EDIT, yes, but you received a lot of EDIT's that game too. I never conceded that game, that aint true. I only stated that the situation would "probably cost me the game". That aint a concede. A later view on that savegame even reveiled the situation would not have been in my disadvantage. I still have the savegame. As you know well, I won the game. The whole game was experimental in nature, since you wanted to try a new opening, if I may remind you. You received a lot of EDIT's in that game too. Not really fair to put that out of context.
I also had a game with odesa in that manner, to prevent more of this. There was a big EDIT concerning airforce in my favour - but there was an EDIT of similar scale for the
other side too that same game.
All these 3 games are on top of that way back, within the first 20 games I played, so they dont change the figure much anyways.

I always granted EDIT's myself a lot. Everybody knows that. Making general conclusions about my games based on those 2 cases seems a bit extreme to me.

I posted this to give godking the honors for his win.
Well, as said, I reject especially the insinuations of both posts as unfounded, grossly out of proportion and respectless. I see no other way as to regard them as a try to get back at me outside the context of a game. I find that regrettable, especially after all that time that passed. I may remind you that both of you each quitted our respective last games not as gentlemen (you both actually dropped the game, with a lot of insulting), which I decided to ignore and not mention anywhere. I find this way of trying to jump my throat at the next best chance pretty unthankful for that. I also had hopes peace and manners were restored and maintained in the past time. Seems that aint the case. Sad.

EB
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wow your never gona learn, now ur yust lying, i never played a game with ALLOT of edits, nor would i allow an edit of the whole russian army,

your the 1 bringing this all back up by insulting us with ur never lost comments.

and you really dont have any clue why i got mad after a savegame with over 50 edits in 1 turn?

cant speak for kesselring, but ur the 1 who abused editmode to an extend i have never seen. not to mention you called my gameplaying gentleman like in games before that only because I allouwed so many edits from you my guesing is 10-1 edits, could only blame myslelf for letting it get out of hand like that.

but go aheead and dream on with ur noone can beat me attitute, im sorry it had to come to this AGAIN, atleast this time you blamed the dice and personal mistakes, instead of complimenting ur opponents playstyle.

ice


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Corrected initial post, which also got deleted

Successful risky axis opening
Major Allies round 1 blunder (ultimately the cause of the allied defeat)
Severe Axis round 2 blunder
Small Axis mistakes in 1 theatre over 2 rounds leading to Axis losing that region
Big turn of the game due to a situation, though enabled by a considerably extended series of lucky dice, nevertheless most skillfully an elegantly used for a major allied defeat.
Allies still had a considerable TUV and unit count advantage on the board, as well as more income, with key nations being very strong. But the setup was horrible, and there considering the previous part of the game, as well as robustness of the Axis build, there was little hope for a game changing mistake on the side of the Axis - while clearly, the vulnerabilities of the Allies were growing.
The end.

Godking and I agreed to post the game AFTER the end of the tournament, thats why I did not go into further details, although I think the game is very much worth that.
Was some excellent game, and played under most pleasant circumstances - we count out my cursing about the dice at a certain point.

Just for the record: godking is the first to defeat me after 112 NWO wins in a row, the second one since NWO 1.5 is out, and the third one ever on any NWO. Consequently he hereby did also beat the winner the only finished NWO tournament so far. (Think there is no way if communicating this without appearing somewhat arrogant, but I thought its worth mentioning, so excuse me).

I have to admit I found it extremely hard to take, and it did cost me 2 days to get a grip on my anger, and another to admit defeat finally.
My salute to godking.


This wouldnt be here, would there have not been the continuation of hostility in the Lobby.

Regards (and dont get me wrong, not taking this more serious than it means fun),
EB

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wondering why you stopped when kesselring joined the lobby, maybe because hes a witness to my case, but dont worry more amusement because i recorded it aswel:)

(21:16:25) ErnieBommel:  I corrected the post
(21:16:30) dqa77:  hey major
(21:16:31) ice:  eb your so sad, i really hope for you that in reallife you do have friends
(21:16:34) ErnieBommel:  but ice voted to delete the whole thread
(21:16:38) Ajmdemen:  hi all btw, gonna stay neutral, coz i dont know the truth, so...
(21:16:55) kesselring:  did you delete your statements in forum about your 132 victories and my answer to it ?
(21:16:55) ice:  i didnt delete the post eb
(21:17:05) ice:  bung did that
(21:17:12) dqa77:  GAME UP MAJOR
(21:17:22) ice:  and he locked it
(21:17:23) ErnieBommel:  you probably wont like my answer in full, kesselring, and I have to live with that. But if you are interested in it in detail, I posted a transcript of the threat in the TripleA forums (not the waarc...
(21:17:29) Ajmdemen:  yeah seems sensible action imo
(21:17:43) choZin1:  now i gotta see it lol
(21:17:53) Destroyer:  ohhhh
(21:17:54) ice:  in other words he didnt loose against you (kes) or me he won them all!
(21:17:56) kesselring:  because eb: your statements arent true...and you know it
(21:18:10) Destroyer:  immer dise pisser hier
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(21:18:26) kesselring:  i still have is e-mmail when he surrendered
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(21:18:56) Destroyer:  grosse freese aber hinter her ja kein bock mehr
(21:19:13) ice:  i beleve you kes, im yust warning other people so they dont get into the same situation we are in.
(21:19:14) kesselring:  so when you start counting your 132 victories ?
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(21:19:23) subMARS (1):  was soll ich machen gegen 3
(21:19:40) Zig (1):  KBG what happened?
(21:20:00) kesselring:  iyes, and i know as well that you have beaten him , too
(21:20:16) Destroyer:  ja weiter spielen das ist nur ein game
(21:20:20) ice:  some people yust cant handle loosing, eb is an extreem example of that
(21:20:28) kesselring:  true
(21:20:30) ice:  i have my moments aswel
(21:20:33) KBG:  omni
(21:20:34) subMARS (1):  wozu zeitverschwendung
(21:20:35) KBG:  I GOT A SAFE
(21:20:48) KBG:  COME BACK
(21:20:49) Destroyer:  ok kann ich verstehen
(21:20:59) kesselring:  when he looses, he start screaming about bad dice
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(21:21:36) kesselring:  and when he has lucky dice, you dont here a word
(21:21:50) ice:  wel, that alone isnt that bad, but ignoring that fact and lieing in public forum about it is
(21:22:01) choZin1:  damn.never been n a real battle huh?any of u? w all due respect,grow the fuk up
(21:22:15) dqa77:  Major where are you
(21:22:22) ErnieBommel:  kesselring, we had 1 game
(21:22:34) ErnieBommel:  astonishing how you manage to generalize from that
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(21:22:39) ErnieBommel:  2nd:
(21:22:48) ice:  3th:
(21:22:51) ice:  4th:
(21:22:53) Destroyer:  all destroyed
(21:22:54) ice:  5th:
(21:22:56) kesselring:  we had 2
(21:23:08) ErnieBommel:  there was exactly 1 incident where I claimed to have been severly unlucky in that game
(21:23:18) kesselring:  the 1 you lost you forget again
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(21:23:41) ErnieBommel:  and that was when your 1 t-boat killed 2 simultaneously attacking early ftrs - without dying itself
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(21:23:58) kesselring:  again its the dice
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(21:24:04) ErnieBommel:  may everybody judge himself if that justifies a remark about being unlucky
(21:24:05) ErnieBommel:  lol
(21:24:09) majorQ10:  hi
(21:24:11) ErnieBommel:  again?
(21:24:16) ice:  maybe kes played better?
(21:24:23) dqa77:  hi major waiting for you
(21:24:23) ErnieBommel:  that was the game you are refering too
(21:24:28) ErnieBommel:  errm
(21:24:28) ErnieBommel:  ice
(21:24:33) ErnieBommel:  kess lost that game
(21:24:40) ErnieBommel:  that situation occured in round 1
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(21:24:54) ErnieBommel:  but kess plays very good
(21:24:54) kesselring:  i just dont like when you make yourself greater claiming to 132 victories and no lose in forum
(21:24:59) ErnieBommel:  dont doubt that
(21:25:08) ErnieBommel:  I did not claim no lose
(21:25:11) ice:  wel all the games i lost vs you was also the dice, i had so bad dice was unbelevable, your game sucked aswel but you won due to luck.   how does that sound?
(21:25:11) Omnikrom:  I BEAT EB COUNTLESS TIME
(21:25:16) kesselring:  ...and when you get a answer you delete everything
(21:25:17) Omnikrom:  NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT
(21:25:28) Ajmdemen:  well you claimed to have 132 victories in a row
(21:25:31) ErnieBommel:  and I corrected and apologized for forgetting about that round 1 thing between us
(21:25:59) ErnieBommel:  if you put that as a victory, its still 112 in a row
(21:26:06) ErnieBommel:  fine with that
(21:26:11) ice:  wel you said 2 games lost and its 4 already, howmany other lies are there?
(21:26:14) SilverBullet:  claiming 132 in a row doesnt mean he never lost, unless he only ever played 132 games
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(21:26:29) Hellcat:  well all need to get along =)  its a game
(21:26:30) kesselring:  you sayed yourself its a victory of mine
(21:26:30) ErnieBommel:   wel all the games i lost vs you was also the dice, i had so bad dice was unbelevable, your game sucked aswel but you won due to luck.   how does that sound?
(21:26:44) ErnieBommel:  ice, compare that nonsene to what I wrote
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(21:27:03) ice:  lol i was quoting you
(21:27:09) ErnieBommel:  no
(21:27:15) ErnieBommel:  you were making something up there
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(21:27:43) kesselring:  and in the 2 game i gave you an edit for a move that was 4 nations back, which nobody else would have given and without that you would have lost it as well
(21:28:10) ErnieBommel:  kesselring, you received 2 major EDITs in that game
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(21:28:18) kesselring:  because you was screaming again
(21:28:21) SilverBullet:  how do u know noone else would do it, u did it for him
(21:28:29) choZin1:  actually this is gettin pretty good now.im gonna go mak sompopcorn realquik
(21:28:29) Ajmdemen:  well kess you need to stop granting edits then ;)
(21:28:31) ErnieBommel:  which both at least outweighted that EDIT
(21:28:40) ErnieBommel:  there were a lot of EDITs in both sides
(21:28:48) ErnieBommel:  and I dont scream, keep manners please
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(21:29:14) kesselring:  i asked for 1 major edit for 1 move 1 nation ago and you denied it
(21:29:27) ice:  yes i blame myself for letting eb get all those edits, he wouldnt have won a single game against me then, and im sure his arrogance would have been lower
(21:29:29) Omnikrom:  ERNIEBOMME BOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU
(21:29:34) ErnieBommel:  the games had an agreed on EDIT policy, which was used by both sides. there is little use putting that out of context afterwards
(21:29:47) Omnikrom:  ERNIEBOMME BOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU
(21:29:56) Omnikrom:  ERNIEBOMME BOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU
(21:29:58) SilverBullet:  omni relax
(21:30:06) kesselring:  you would have lost the 2.game without the edit !!!
(21:30:12) ErnieBommel:  well, at least you say it, ice: its the arrogant part you dont ike
(21:30:19) Omnikrom:  sILVER NO NEVER
(21:30:21) ErnieBommel:  well, fine if you feel like that.
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(21:30:30) SilverBullet:  arrogant people hate other arogant people
(21:30:32) ErnieBommel:  doesnt justify losing manners though
(21:30:51) ice:  doesnt justify lieing in puplic forums either
(21:30:55) ErnieBommel:  thx, silver. thats probably why I cant let this discussion drop
(21:30:58) ErnieBommel:  but I do now
(21:31:06) Omnikrom:  ERNIEBOMME BOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU
(21:31:06) Omnikrom:  ERNIEBOMME BOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU
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(21:31:32) ice:  do you see what happens when eb looses omg, your the worst looser i ever met
(21:31:37) ErnieBommel:  put you on ignore ice, for this evenings , for peaces sake. Take no offense in that. Just to stop it. and just for today
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(21:31:47) kesselring:  thats the only important point: the lie in the forum and when published to delete everything
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(21:31:57) ice:  i do reccomend that you stop competitive games because its not good for your health
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OnanTheBrBr
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I been checking the old savegames. Have to add that I also found a super-old unfinished NWO game against Axisgeneral archived, which I can not open. Probably not even real NWO, but the 5-player version. Standing might have been not in my favour.

Just adding this for correctness sake.

So the complete list is:

(oldest NWO save) 1 unfinished, but probably disadvantageous (since very early) game against Axisgeneral

(games 6 and 7) 2 games against warmonger2

(game 17) 1 game with a severe (but - as later analyze reveals - not crucial) EDIT granted to me by ice (Within a setting explicitly allowing for EDIT's). Ice counts that game as won, while I disagree, since I did not concede, but only stated that the situation was likely to cost me the game. I did win the game following the EDIT. The game saved a Russian stack, which I sacrificed a turn later one step futher eastwards, which turned out to be the counter to the German push. Not applying the EDIT would have had a similar result.

(game 19) 1 game against kesselring where a t-boat killed 2 ftrs , surviving itself, in round 1, in a most crucial spot, where kesselring offered to play on the game with the t-boat removed - and I in turn offered to him to count this as a victory for him

There was also 1 (early) game vs odesa, in which he granted me an important EDIT concerning fighers in Greece, but also received important EDIT's himself. Still, I probably should not count that one as a clear victory.

All these events lie way back and are within the first 2 dozen games I played. They dont really change the big picture, I think. Apologies for any inaccuracies. May everybody judge for himself.

Regards,
EB
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OnanTheBrBr
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errm, ice, I "stopped" then, because it happened after I posted this here. Rings a bell?
But thanks for posting the follow up.

I dont see how kesselring supports your cause, only see how - apart from the insults - it fits to what I am saying.

Well, nothing about a good fight.

Regards,
EB
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ice
this is so amusing, you know you are a pathological lieer right?

i reccomend a srink since this all is the result of you loosing a tournament game

its really getting pathetic

ice


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nolesfan1
and I was the only one who caused problems and picked fights in the lobby ;) whatever happend 2 ''ice ice baby'' and ''im ice im always cool'' someone got melted lol :) also Ernie always seems to end up in these messes and fights. I'm sorry EB you get caught in chaos so much. I know you just want to play games, relax and have fun like everyone else.
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OnanTheBrBr
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"ice: I lied about that" (about statement that Bung deleted posts)

a bit hypocrit for someone who puts the blame for his deeds on others


other honorable statement: "he used 1-2 edit every 5 minutes"

this one fits "its really getting pathetic"


maybe i should not judge maybe i should
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Odesa
Adnetus Cox,

Either you are EB in disguise or this is pretty low.  I was in the game room and we discussed this post in detail, good and bad.  You immediatly took EB's side and then after claiming your just an observer you post ice out of context.  NOT fair.

I like both Ice and Eb so I can take an objective stance on this situation but you have to be fair if your going to post quotes from tons of dialog out of context.  I think it only inflames the whole situation even more and if your not EB then EB doesn't need more Ice comments on this post out of context.  I know both these players fairly well and for a long time so try to get some perspective yourself before you flame post.

Thanks,
Odesa
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Ajmdemen
As the other member of the mentioned conversation, I can only agree with odesa...
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ice
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to silverbullet, no im not a server admin nor did i ever say i was, I only had limited forum admin on the warclub.

to noles, great post, nice detailes.

and then the imposter eb, who came into my game as Adnetus Cox, talked to me about the whole discussion, actualy with the other people mentioned, then took the wors out of that conversation wich lasted an hour and put it out of context, and posted it here as Adnetus Cox, little time after that the name was changed to onanthe brbrb

HOW LOW IS THAT?


what is your problem? what are you aiming at?, to me it looks like ur doing everything possible to get the worst out of me and post them here, wich has nothing to do with the subject.

you dodge the real problem i have with you, wich is that you where lieing about your gamestreak  and by it disrespected me and others. and that you didnt loose 2 games overall, but looks like 6 already,

I dont care that ur arrogant, i can laugh with it, i dont care that you dont like me, i dont care that you come into the lobby as someone else all the time (wich makes me doubt ur gamestreak even more)

I DO CARE BOUT UR LIEING TO EVERYONE IN A PUBLIC FORUM DISRESPECTING FELLOW NWO PLAYERS< IF NOT ME THEN KESSELRING.

Ice





 



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johndoe
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lets just say that EB is a very good player and extremly talented at NWO. so what if he lost 1 2 or 3 games etc. the point is he doesnt lose hardly any and bitching about 3 losses or 2 doesnt really matter imo. EB is good at NWO ok. can we agree? Ice and Kes are just complaining and trying to pick a fight cause they are not as good as EB.
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ice
can i have a ipcheck on this guy plz?

john doe, never heard of this guy its his first post on here, so how can he have an oppinion on strangers he never met?

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OnanTheBrBr
yeah, ice. Everyone disagreeing with you is "me in disguise". Sure. If that "ice"I lied about that" thing is true, I actually cant grab how the heck you can feel yourself in any position to morally judge anything. If I would have joined your game under another nickname to read what you write about me, would see little immoral behaviour in that.
You - on the opposite - claimed to me IN THE LOBBY that is was BUNG deleting the posts. If it actually was you, this is only 2 steps from imposting a good name and behaving badly under it. Guess you can consider yourself lucky Bung doesnt feel stepped on his toes by that, if it is true. (guess he wont, because this whole thing is some childish fun, and not about him)

Maybe odesa you can clarify is that "lied" thing been said in the cited meaning or not, since you obviously were there.



John seems to hit the nail to me. This lenghty post here with me failing to put it this short should be proof enough I aint him.



Warclub, NWO forums.

I was an admin there too, but never abused it for deleting posts I did not like. Corsairs nice words are still there.
Corsair used to delete post concerning the progress of the last tournament, after he abandoned administrating it. Which caused his replacement as administrator.




Gentlemen:
I aint claiming, that I am an easy person. Also admit freely that I do enjoy winning. Apart from within a challenge, I did not "try hard" to get the streak together. It just happened. I cant remember playing beginners. I played some share of intermediate players, but most of the games I played are against the usual suspects (which includes more players than the top10, not to be mistaken). I never tried to reach some number until I noticed I was close to a full full hundred wins in a row, which I tried to complete then.

Had I tried only tried to win, I would have never been the one to play the Allies setting all sails for Gibraltar right away as first player (to my best knowledge). I did that move in the last years tournament finals... Not the best moment to try out a new allied opening. The German fleet built I used for my early wins was also played by no one else back then, and termed "insane" and "stupid" by many. It actually consisted mostly of that 2 carrier-buy and the mechanics/principles used now with the opening where the atlantic subs try to join up with the German fleet in the chanel (or west of it). It only worked with sz22 instead of the Channel, and the subs went via sz9, not sz11 - both simply because the nothern route was the preferred one by the allies back then. I also played a couple games with leaving Paris alive while Rolling for Russia - after inspiration by ice (cheers), and sucessfully. The German opening for a Ukraine take (although a weak one all in all, I admit) I havent seen played by anybody else yet either.
Never refrained from trying out approaches I deemed reasonable. For a couple things, I also claim to be the first to play them, like the Russian R1 stack in Belomorsk, Italians on German transports, Brits on Colonial transports in UK1, and of course the mentioned German openings. I realize last claims are disputable. Please dont start another discussion on them. Take them or leave them.
Why in this detail? Cause there are voices claiming I "only try to win", meaning that in a somewhat disrespectful manner. Simply not true. I just won - a lot.

Were there are wins, there is envy, obviously. I can live with that. I am fine with being called arrogant. Although there is some evidence my "arrogance" is somewhat "funded" - which would actually transmute it from "arrogance" to "healthy self esteem" (hehe) - I dont care.
The "liar" accusations are too ridiculous to be taken serious. Dont care much either, although they cross the line of good manners.
I do care being called unfair though. Its the least I am. Apart from sieg, ice, kesselring and corsair - all of which have some complex history, there should be no one supporting such a claim. And while 4 may seem a considerable number, it few if one keeps in mind the number of opponents I have played, and the prominent role I have taken for NWO, this should illustrate how little substance such accusation has.

And yes, I have the tendency to comment on dice. Controversial habit.But I also comment good dice on my behalf to the same extend. Just ask around. Sam, for example.

Hope this came over somewhat coherent, since I wrote it inbetween taking turns ; )

Regards,
EB
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OnanTheBrBr
oh, I will be absent from the forum, and only read further comments once things calmed down.
I already did spend a ridiculous amount of time on this nonsense, and wont commit any more.
Funs over, I am outta here (this thread).

Hope some spectators could enjoy this "soap written in blood" at least ;o)

Regards,
EB
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I said it was bung to calm you down, not to mention that bung was the 1 hinting on deleteing andlocking the topic, all i did was listen to the almighty. you where in such a mental absence state that yes i lied about it for the good of the conversation.

even with ur 500000 words post ur avoiding the problem stil, ur a lieer! doesnt matter what i am thats not what this whole thing is about.

and by comming into here and into the server with other namens is the lowest you can become since ur acting like someone totaly different. also it proves that i have won even more games vs you with you as someone else. its like only playing the weak as eb, change ur name and loose vs the good guys, how can you say its no bigdeal. ur a fake and a lieer thats all it proves.

i request eb's nicknames from the server to be posted here, and plz do the same to myne then as eb will prolly want that aswel then.

maybe then theres actualy proof that u didnt or did won them all.

i wish you would stick to that dagon runaway name and never logged in as eb nomore, seems that name is reason for you to panic lies and arrogancy.


ice
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OnanTheBrBr
hehe, ice, this becomes amusing. Couldnt resist reading.

Where is your logics, man, for christs sake? How would I know prior to starting a game if I would win or lose, and choose names accordingly.

Also funny: the log of the lobby is posted above. How - for christs sake - can you call ME being in a "mental abcense state"? Reread the log and have a bitter laugh about that, if there is some humor and self reflection left in you.

..."also it proves that i have won even more games" ... I laugh my ass off. You should become a scientist. You could prove earth to have the shape of a squashed banana.

The "dagon" name I assumed back then to avoid stirring up old useless issues - like this one - in the lobby. I told you that back then, and you outed understanding for that. Shows some character to try abusing this here.

Ice, you make a total ass of your self with your uncontrolled rantings.
You call me a "liar" ? While it is your word against mine? With you having lied and exaggerated throughout the whole issue ("ice: I lied about that", "50 Edits a turn", "1-2 Edits every 5 minutes" and so on and so forth)?
With me having small a motive to lie:
1. I admitted the kesselring Round1 loss right away. Everybody sane can understand I forgot about it, if one keeps in mind that since the game was continued and finished, there was no separate savegame on my side, and also in memory, it stood weak against the 20+ actual game we finished.
2. Obviously, the big picture would change little, would there be a win of yours. What reason should I have to lie about any of our games?

On your side, however, there seems to be quite a motive:
1. You even say publicly that you simply hate me for stating that I won the games I won
2. You left our last game in anger and obvious disappointement that you lost again. Your stories about 50 EDIT's in that final round you left are utter nonsense, since I already described the issue was resolved differently, and actually purely without the use of edit.
3. We have a history of you attacking me since. The last time, you used the issue between me and sieg to jump at my throat, now you use kesselring as an excuse. It is revealing that even though I corrected myself right after kesselrings post, you kept bringing up his cause - 3 more times, I think - while it was long solved.
4. NWO veterans probably remember "seppel". A gentlemen and absolute top player. Same pattern there with ice: after seppels 2nd win in a row (or was it the third, ice?), you dropped the game, and insulted him wildly. He was so pissed, he left for a longer period, and only returned later briefly as "leonardo". The ones who played him then will be able to confirm him to be a most peaceful and honorable player.

You are a nice guy as long as you win enough, ice, and I also told you so in the the games we played. And maybe with a few selected players, you are able to accept losses too. Obviously not with me, obviously not with seppel. Curious how many others will have to share my expernience in the future. Its not that I dont understand, I do very well. Losing is so much harder the more you got used to winning. Thats why I described my feelings when I lost to godking. I learned there that I aint the best loser myself. And I draw my head to players like for example odesa and krusty and Axisgeneral, who are equally skilled, but seem so easily able to stay perfect gentlemen in the face of defeat. But you, ice, need to get a better grip on that. So far - face it: you simply behave like a sore loser, and all that insulting is a cheap way to try to get back at me.

Concerning that last game you are citing so happily (the one you dropped):
There were no EDIT's in the turn you dropped. And most assured not 50, but the number speaks for itself. The issue were troops of mine in the Aegean, which did not unload completly. We were on good terms still by that time, and since it also was in the spirit with the agreed on "easy with EDIT's" policy for that game, YOU ALLOWED the issue to be corrected (thus the battle be fought with the troops completly unloaded). There was a break between session, in which I reconstructed the turn from an autosave until that battle, by rolling dice over and over to achieve the same results as for the battles actually already rolled during that turn so far. This reconstruction was easy to check for mistakes when compared to the "real" uncorrected game, since the only difference were the Troops unloaded into battle now. YOU AGREED on the reconstruction then too. Thing was that after the battle was done, you found that you plans for Ankara were actually not working out as you thought they would. THAT was the moment you freaked out, insulted me of "forging" the game, even you clearly knew better, and then you left.
From there on, you had a handy excuse for not playing me again.



To save us endless reiteration, I list my shortcomings concerning TripleA myself:

1. I won a lot of games (seems to be making me evil fromout your perspective - dont worry, you even aint alone with this)
2. I know that I won almost all my games (for sure 129 out of 134). I do state that sometimes. Call me arrogant for it.
3. I do like winning.
4. I dodged exactly 1 challenge ever: the requested rematch against odesa after the tournaments finals. Initially due to me taking a well earned break for almost 3 months after the tournament finished, as most people noticed. I was not asked again for it since my return. I admit I am glad I was not asked again, since odesa is a fearsome opponent. And I find it fitting and hope we can have that rematch in this tournaments context.
5. I spend too much time and have some sick enjoyment in answering your posts
6. I did use the nickname "Dagon" after my leave, in order to be left in peace, since I did not wanted to be bothered about things concerning the Depot. Most people - and all whom I played - knew it was me within the shortest time, since I told them, like I told it to you too. I also played under different nicknames (not many) once I had finished my 100th win in a row (erroneously, counting the kesselring game in), since while admittedly I wanted to reach that win, after I noticed I was close to it, I afterwards wanted to play with an easy attitude. And - as with the tournament - I did want to enjoy the achievement a bit unchallenged. However, I did also not lose any of the following games until now.
My opponents always were notified of my identity. Most actually knew within 5 minutes from my distinctive chat habits.

You also dont have to repeat calling me liar - although I am sure you will. Mind that it means the word of a liar against mine, so dont expect me to take it serious. I described how things went. Your version is originating from the same corner of your head as the "50 Edits per turn" and the like.

I could not care less than having these nicknames of mine listed here. Permission granted from my side, if any admin cares. And no, I aint interested in your "other" nicknames, ice. Why should I be?
Worst I can be accused of is that by these nicknames, I got myself a few games against some other name-changing top players who did came to have not joined my offered games so far. Whoa, evil! Excuses offered to those who felt tricked by this, though NOBODY ever complained.

Face it, ice, you are the only one in within the considerably big community to call me a liar (even kesselring can hardly call me that again). And that, while - as can be seen from the Revised league - it is usually very easy to find allies in attacking the one currently on top. But you seem beyond reasoning.

Mind that I NEVER claimed to be the best. I only mentioned numbers. And while these numbers may lead to that conclusion for some, I can safely say that among the top 10, everybody can win the title. Skill differences are small there, and even though the game amplifies these, there are still dice involved.
And for those unfounded accusations that I would be ALWAYS complaining about dice: After last years tournament, I stated to everybody that I had awesome dice as Germany in the important first German turn, and again in the last and decisive turn. Odesa (and many more) should be able to verify that I am mentioning good dice as much as bad ones. Its a habit of mine that I do judge turns at their end to have been in the ones or the others sides favour. Came with the large amount of games played.




DONT MISS THE NEXT ISSUE OF THIS THREAD!   buy it as hardcover at amazon.com! ("Totally fucked up and utterly useless", ISBN:00000000", ice,EB et al 2010)  
; o )

EB
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OnanTheBrBr
ice, if you want a win against me that anybody else than you believes in, you will have to play me for it like anyone else. Your constructions wont do.
No exceptions, sorry.

Likely, that that tournament will provide chance for that. I am willing to play you there, even though your insults would justify to refrain from that ("idiot" and the like are unparalleled from my side).

But given the circumstances, only, if it is a PBEM, and the emails send to each other are also send to a third person as copies, who will watch over it that it runs clean.

EB
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Veqryn
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i think this whole thread would be better placed over on the warclub forum.  there is no need to clutter kev and sgb's development of the engine with personal issues of players on the lobby.  

can you guys agree to stop talking to each other please?  
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Ajmdemen
It's really bit frightening that such intelligent guys as you can lose reason so easily. Since the issue arose ice is going nuts whenever Ernie's name is mentioned. His lie about the posts during that heated exchange in the lobby I would excuse actually since he asked Bung to revoke his admin rights or "he could delete every post of EB out of anger" (semiquote) - not that itself it was sth to be proud of for sure.
EB on the other hand has gone to lenghts of spying on the conversation under false nickname. While it's a standard for a flame war into which this discussion is turning I guess, I also think it's not a thing to take pride in.

From what I get from both sides, there is major discrepancy with ice stating that EB actually surrendered the discussed game - one with edit of Russian army - before the edit took place "to see what-if". With EB apparently denying that, I think there it has to end, since no discussion can mend such a difference of views. And the actual "discussion" does not even seem to be attempting that ;-)
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sieg
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hmm

why allways problems with u ernie??

lol

greetz sieg
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